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Manufacturer Content - Part 2

The family is beautiful. Accurate geometry that flexes. Not too much detail, but enough.













One family for entire line of products, with types set up for various sizes.













One small issue that prevents us from implementing the family as is...it's ceiling hosted. And ceiling hosted families are constrained to the finish face of the ceiling, so we can't even find a workaround.













Is there a way to change this family to a unhosted family? Easily? I tried copying the geometry over, but obviously lost a lot of the data and constraints. And then I couldn't even load it into a project - I got a very generic error. Help...

9 comments:

Andre said...

We usually get around the "ceiling" hosted issue by placing a small, "jbox ceiling" which hosts the family and reflects the fact that there will be something there to hold it up. For lights it's a draw it like you build it 4"x4" ceiling, but you could make it as big as you need or as big as would reflect the actual hanger system.

dfano said...

Try loading it into a new non hosted Family. If you post the model i can do it for you.

Dave

dfano said...

Scratch that :( . Post the family and I'll see what i can come up with.

D

David Kingham said...

That's unfortunate it's ceiling hosted, they could have at least made it face based. There is no easy way to convert it to non hosted, that's why I rarely use hosted families. The only 'easy' solution is to put in a false ceiling for it to host to, create a new type with a unique name so it's obvious it shouldn't be scheduled and easily filtered out, and you'll have to make a search set for it in navis to hide them....or just use their dimensions real quick to make a new family that's a box...

Steve said...

Sorry no! You'll have to let them know...assuming you did. You can just place a host ceiling for now to keep moving forward.

Erik said...

At the office we have coined the "98% Theory." It states that Revit performs exactly as expected, up to 98%. 98% of functionality. 98% of control over graphic display. Etc, etc. But the last 2% is something that will make the idea for a process or new family 100% unusable.

I can only imagine that the new Autodesk family style guide explains this, and that this family was built to those guidelines. (Tongue planted firmly in check.)

fishandchips said...

From what I remember reading in an AU Online class download, Joel Londenburg made reference to this issue and I'm pretty sure he said this couldn't be done, and that he recommended always starting off with a non-hosted family and then loading it into a hosted or face-based family if need be.

fishandchips said...

Darn I hate it when that happens - made comment, thought I submitted it and oopsy. I said something to the effect that I didn't think this was possible. I read somewhere in an AU-On-Line class video support handout that this is a no-go (issue). Joel Londenburg (the author/presenter)recommended first always using a non-hosted family template and then loading that into a face-based or hosted family later.

Phil Read said...

It's past time for Revit to make "hosted-ness" a parameter. The design process requires a fluidity beyond the up-front and binary 'hosted/non-hosted' decision.